a good old fashioned cover up (fog you'll love this)
June 4th 2008 01:38
A story has appeared today stating that NASA downplayed the severity of Climate Change in order to protect George Bush, cop a read of this. CLICK HERE FOR FULL STORY
I don't have a lot of time to research the merits of this story and fact check, but taken on face value this is a) a disgrace and b) puts egg all over the face of climate change sceptics who often quote NASA data as ammo for their argument.
More laters when I have more time but thought those who love conspiracy theories might like to see this. (Fog)
Cheers
Louie
P.S. Loved this morgue File Image, it says so much and is called match head By Álvaro Daniel González Lamarque
Published Date: 04 June 2008
By Jacqui Goddard
NASA officials censored and suppressed scientific data on global warming in order to protect the Bush administration from controversy close to the 2004 presidential election, an internal investigation has found.
A 93-page report by the space agency's Office of the Inspector General reveals that personnel in the agency's public affairs office were guilty of "inappropriate political interference" in their attempts to play down climate change findings.
Staff, who were appointed by the White House, "marginalised or mischaracterised" studies on global warming between 2004 and 2006, denying media access to top global warming scientist James Hansen, cancelling a press conference about a space mission that was set to monitor ozone pollution and, on more than a dozen occasions, unilaterally edited or downgraded press releases on climate change
By Jacqui Goddard
NASA officials censored and suppressed scientific data on global warming in order to protect the Bush administration from controversy close to the 2004 presidential election, an internal investigation has found.
A 93-page report by the space agency's Office of the Inspector General reveals that personnel in the agency's public affairs office were guilty of "inappropriate political interference" in their attempts to play down climate change findings.
Staff, who were appointed by the White House, "marginalised or mischaracterised" studies on global warming between 2004 and 2006, denying media access to top global warming scientist James Hansen, cancelling a press conference about a space mission that was set to monitor ozone pollution and, on more than a dozen occasions, unilaterally edited or downgraded press releases on climate change
I don't have a lot of time to research the merits of this story and fact check, but taken on face value this is a) a disgrace and b) puts egg all over the face of climate change sceptics who often quote NASA data as ammo for their argument.
More laters when I have more time but thought those who love conspiracy theories might like to see this. (Fog)
Cheers
Louie
P.S. Loved this morgue File Image, it says so much and is called match head By Álvaro Daniel González Lamarque
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Actually, to point out a small but important difference, I am interested in conspiracies, because they cheat us of truth, and not conspiracy theories..
The difference being, whenever there is evidence that contests the veracity of the offical explanation for something, then it becomes a conspiracy!
cheers and I am not al all surprised about this matter, however, I am surprised, and a little heartened, to see that it is coming to light in the public arena!!
Now all we have to do is pray Cheney, Rumsfeld etc get done for organizing a war to increase their pal's corporate profits...( Cheney was head of Halliburton before he joined Bush jnr, and he awarded Halliburton the reconstrucion contract for Iraq, without contest...there was no chance for public tender...and that is a matter of public record, not a theory!!)
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fog that sux!!!!!
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They say, environmentally back burning is the way to go, what do you think?
I wondered who this strange looking post belonged to, the mystery, or should I say conspiracy, is solved.
fog should like a bit of smoke. He'd feel at home.
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so nice to see such
level headed and intelligentlyput objections and so colourfully put too....I looked at the site this hysteric refers to, lots of scientist's names, and the header to the site has one Edward Teller's signature on a sample petition, all the petitions then must be undated as his was (and no section for address of signee), which if one knows anything about petitions to government, means it will not be recognized, so is a waste of time, at least that is the situation in Oz.
Next, although there is indeed many scientists listed, the wording of the petition seems curiously unscientific and, one last salient point, about their 'pin up boy' Edward Teller;
Teller headed up the American nuclear bomb programme, and remained in the pocket of the powerful military industrial complex his entire career. He was so so reviled by people of conscience that, to give an example of his international 'stature', Gorbachev stated, when introduced to him at the White House by a proud President Regan, "Mr.Gorbachev, you will of course know Mr Edward Teller!"
Gorbachev retorted;
"No. I have never heard of him!" And with that dismissive comment, ignored Teller and continued on to meet other dignatories. In the interview I saw of Gorbachev, when recounting this story, he said that, '..of course I knew of him, I did not want to recognize him', as he considered Teller so evil, that he refused to acknowledge his presence. Just what else Teller had done, to warrant Gorbach's dismissive response, was never elaborated upon.
So, who gives a flying toss what Teller and his cronies think. For all their objections would, NO DOUBT, have been influenced by the fact that many of the signatories had worked for, (still do, or hope to), the military industrial complex, and the rest of them, well, industry funds universities these days, particularly in the USA, oh, and many arms of military fund research at universities too.
One just has to look at how many 'good doctors,' and 'independant research' scientists, who supported the tobacco industry for so long, some who still do to this very day, denying that there is any evidence to show tobacco causes lung cancer, to realise that just because you have a degree in some discipline in science, does not mean you are unsusceptible to political interference and therefore, lie, ignore, or distort information, "in the national interest"!!
However, having said all that, I have some real reservations about laying the entire 'blame' on mankind's industrial revolution, and believe that we are not being told the whole truth, about causes of the changing weather patterns, and that there may be natural causes adding to the problem, such as, the change in radiation emittance from the Sun, and the continuing polar reversal, to name but two.
cheers
fog
Comment by Mountain Fog
NASA, countered this startling information with its own statement denying that this was so, and then backed up their claim by saying NASA had all the satellite photography to prove that these scientists had gotten it wrong.
Some years later, when many other science groups around the world also agreed, and the hole became so large it extended over Southern Australia at one time, NASA then announced that the ozone hole did in fact exist.
And no, NASA did not apologise, nor explain, why it denied the existance of the ozone hole in the first place.
This is also a CLEAR DEMONSTRATION, that even august institutions like NASA can be influenced by government, and keep certain information secret (in the national interest of course!) and even lie outright to the public.
So, shove that in your pipe and smoke it "god gunz gutz"...and what an interesting combination of words...says sooo much about you!
cheers Louie
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God Guns and Guts? Says as much about that person as I ever need to know.
I look forward to a follow up on this.
And fog, as much as i would love to see Cheney et al get done, I don't think it'll ever happen. Some people are just beyond the hand of justice.
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Thanks for taking so much time and effort to defend me,I was already a fan for life, now this
All your points are good but this one in particular stands out
I did not know about the ozone layer stuff and NASA, thank you for the info.
cheers
Lisa
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Fog has done all the follow up for me, what a legend!!!!!!!
i was in a meeting and came back to all this, scary.
Have you been called a nitwit lately, too bloody funny.
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The following is a series of extracts from a larger article on Edward Teller (source wikipedia) which, I post here, in the interests of fleshing out a more three dimensional character portrait of the self proclaimed "father of the hydrogen bomb".
Some of it is amusing.
Most not!
(extract wikipedia "Edward Teller")
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The rift between Teller and many of his colleagues was widened in 1954 when he testified against Robert Oppenheimer, former head of Los Alamos and member of the Atomic Energy Commission, at Oppenheimer's security clearance hearing. Teller had clashed with Oppenheimer many times at Los Alamos over issues relating both to fission and fusion research, and during Oppenheimer's trial he was the only member of the scientific community to label Oppenheimer a security risk.
"If it is a question of wisdom and judgment, as demonstrated by actions since 1945, then I would say one would be wiser not to grant clearance."
Edward Teller.
After a public hearing, the authorities agreed with Teller. Oppenheimer's security clearance was eventually stripped, and Teller was treated as a pariah by many of his former colleagues.
After the fact, Teller consistently denied that he was intending to damn Oppenheimer, and even claimed that he was attempting to exonerate him. Documentary evidence has suggested that this was likely not the case, however. Six days before the testimony, Teller met with an AEC liaison officer and suggested "deepening the charges" in his testimony.
It has been suggested that Teller's testimony against Oppenheimer was an attempt to remove Oppenheimer from power so that Teller could become the leader of the American nuclear scientist community.
One of the most controversial projects he proposed was a plan to use a multi-megaton hydrogen bomb to dig a deep-water harbor more than a mile long and half a mile wide to use for shipment of resources from coal and oil fields through Point Hope, Alaska. The Atomic Energy Commission accepted Teller's proposal in 1958 and it was designated Project Chariot.
In the end, due to the financial infeasibility of the project and the concerns over radiation-related health issues, the project was cancelled in 1962.
For some twenty years, Teller advised Israel on nuclear matters in general, and on the building of a hydrogen bomb in particular.
At each of his talks with members of the Israeli security establishment's highest levels he would make them swear that they would never be tempted into signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
In 1967 when the Israeli program was nearing completion, Teller informed Neeman that he was going to tell the CIA that Israel had built nuclear weapons and explain that it was justified by the background of the Six-Day War.
Teller authored a two-page spread in the Wall Street Journal which appeared on July 31, 1979, under the headline "I was the only victim of Three-Mile Island", which opened with:
"On May 7, a few weeks after the accident at Three-Mile Island, I was in Washington. I was there to refute some of that propaganda that Ralph Nader, Jane Fonda and their kind are spewing to the news media in their attempt to frighten people away from nuclear power. I am 71 years old, and I was working 20 hours a day. The strain was too much. The next day, I suffered a heart attack. You might say that I was the only one whose health was affected by that reactor near Harrisburg. No, that would be wrong. It was not the reactor. It was Jane Fonda. Reactors are not dangerous."
In the 1970s, a letter of Teller to Leo Szilard emerged, dated July 2, 1945:
"Our only hope is in getting the facts of our results before the people. This might help convince everybody the next war would be fatal. For this purpose, actual combat-use might even be the best thing."
The historian Barton Bernstein argued that it is an "unconvincing claim" by Teller that he was a "covert dissenter" to the use of the weapon.
Teller's vigorous advocacy for strength through nuclear weapons, especially when so many of his wartime colleagues later expressed regret about the arms race, made him an easy target for the "mad scientist" stereotype (his accent and eyebrows certainly did not help shake the image).
In 1991 he was awarded one of the first Ig Nobel Prizes for Peace in recognition of his "lifelong efforts to change the meaning of peace as we know it".
In addition, Teller's false claims that Stanislaw Ulam made no significant contribution to the development of the hydrogen bomb (despite Ulam's key insights of using compression and staging elements to generate the thermonuclear reaction) and his vicious personal attacks on Oppenheimer caused even greater animosity within the general physics community towards Teller.
He was also rumored to be the inspiration for the character of Dr. Strangelove in Stanley Kubrick's 1964 satirical film of the same name.
Teller to reporter:
"My name is not Strangelove. I don't know about Strangelove. I'm not interested in Strangelove. What else can I say?... Look. Say it three times more, and I throw you out of this office."
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Now I ask everyone, would you trust Edward Teller to tell the truth, particularly if it is about something that would embarrass the government, or inconvenience industry, like global warming?
By the way, "Dr. Strangelove" is on TV this Saturday ABC2, 8-30pm (NSW programming).
No, this was not an elaborate plug for an ABC television show, I am not that smart!
Pity...
cheers
fog
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I will comment on the possible reasons for NASA's exclusions and coverup's later as I have to go out and reading the article Foggly's replies has taken up all my time *giggle* fantastic reading btw... my quickie point here is about the Ozone.
I remember reading an article and hearing a one off brief radio report (as one does - as only one at some obscure time will serve the law of transparency and freedom of speech etc ), but it came out exactly 50 years after the event. When things can come out becuase the military privacy act no longer covers them, anyway the words were that the US HAD exploded a nuclear bomb in the atmosphere in that location, to see what it would do, and it did infect rip a bloody great hole in the ozone layer... oops, sorry...science 1 people 0.
Lilla ...
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Yes Fog has certainly done a lot of work for me on this one, lucky because as NITWIT I am incapable of such research.
Happy Friday.
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