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they just can't help themselves

June 25th 2008 01:48
Oh we are back here again, by here I mean politics, the Libs just can't help themselves.

They are now criticizing the Government on their emissions trading scheme - a scheme that we haven't even seen the Green paper on yet might I add. They are trying to say the governent isn't really capable of building an effective scheme- this would be the scheme that the Liberals denied we even needed until they realised it was an election issue -

Its no secret I am not a huge Labor fan, however Penny Wong is on the job and is more than capable of building an efficient and effective scheme, trying to spook the Australian people out of an emissions trading scheme we need, in the guise of concern over petrol prices is well, apart from annoying, just plan underhanded. They are about up there with the mining company lobbyists in my books.


Again, I say, the Environment should be bi-partisan and we should all work together to reduce our emissions, which rose 1.6% last year btw. Grandstanding and mud slinging should not be on the agenda, save it for such things of National importance as the Iguanagate affair.

Here is a link and an extract from a story that reports on our emissions from last year and snippets from Parliament yesterday.
Climate Change Minister Penny Wong says Australia is on track to meet its Kyoto targets for greenhouse gas emissions, but the nation has a lot more work to do.

Ms Wong released a government report which found Australia's emissions in 2007 were 585 million tonnes, or 106 per cent of 1990 levels.

This meant the country was on track to meet its Kyoto commitments, she said.


But she noted emissions were continuing to rise, saying this was a concern.

Emissions were 1.6 per cent higher than the previous year, according to the National Greenhouse Gas Inventory 2006 report, issued by the Department of Climate Change.

"What (the report) shows is that Australia, while still on track to meet our Kyoto target, it's clear we have a lot of work to do when it comes to reducing our greenhouse-gas emissions," Senator Wong told reporters.

She reiterated the government's commitment to an emissions trading scheme.

"What we know is climate change is happening. The economically responsible thing to deal with it is to introduce an emissions trading scheme," she said.

"We have to tackle it."

Senator Wong would not be drawn on whether petrol and agriculture would be covered by the scheme, which is to start operating in 2010.

But she did take aim at the opposition for "scare-mongering" over the impact of the ETS on petrol prices.

The opposition raised concerns on Monday that petrol could rise by as much as 25 cents a litre in the short-term, and questioned whether a new tax on petrol was the best way to go.

The report showed Australia was only on track to meet its Kyoto targets because of "land-use changes", which outweighed significant increases in emissions in almost all other sectors.

Emissions from transport and energy soared 40 per cent between 1990 and 2006.

Electricity was the worst offender with emissions jumping 47 per cent since 1990.

Transport was next in line, with emissions rising 27 per cent in that time.

The report found Australia generated 1.5 per cent of global emissions.

Meanwhile, The federal coalition says it is committed to an emissions trading scheme but remains concerned about the Rudd government's ability to implement it without "crashing the economy".

The government's response to climate change was based on ideology and spin, it said.

The coalition wanted an environmentally and economically responsible approach to dealing with climate change, treasury spokesman Malcolm Turnbull said.

"The emissions trading scheme was part of our policy last year and remains our policy today," he told Sky News.

"The implementation of it is something that has to be fine-tuned to ensure that you get the right result for the environment, but you don't crash the economy.

"The concern that I have is that the Rudd government's response to climate change is essentially ideological, it's based on ideology and it's based on spin."
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Comment by Cibbuano

June 25th 2008 02:26
we're on track to meet Kyoto? Did something change? Are we polluting less?

Comment by KylieW

June 25th 2008 03:58
In an ideal world, the environment and climate change would be issues that should extend beyond political boundaries........unfortunate ly it'll always be used as a political tool.


Comment by Louie

June 25th 2008 04:07
heya Cib,

we are making it (always have been BTW) by the skin of our teeth only due to some landuse re-assignment giving us a windfall, trust me outside of that we as individuals and corporations have a long way to go.

Meeting our next targets and actually making a difference wont be so easy which is why we need to get moving now.

Comment by Louie

June 25th 2008 04:08
yeah i hear you KylieW, its all about the politics, such a shame.

Comment by Market Newbie

June 25th 2008 04:53
This thing about politicians must be truly universal. Wherever they are, wherever they come from, they are (with very few exceptions), just politicians!

Comment by RubySoho

June 25th 2008 05:51
I think the Liberals are concerned that, in their current form, they are not quite irrelevant enough and are trying their hardest to be more so. Obviously Brendan Nelson thinks a 13% approval rating is still a little too high. Keep going boys, you'll be back to single figures in no time. Andrew Bolt will still love you. Even if no-one else does.

Comment by Louie

June 25th 2008 07:21
hahaha mkt Newbie, you are right, its just games in the sandpit really

Comment by Louie

June 25th 2008 07:22
I think the Liberals are concerned that, in their current form, they are not quite irrelevant enough
hahahaha RubySoho, you had me for a minute.....I thought you were going to defend them.

Honestly they have NO CLUE, and trust me, I am not a fan of Labor but they are winning my vote by DEFAULT

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 25th 2008 07:53
i dont know why the Labor party has to turn everything into a massive revenue raising scheme, can they not just set emission limits and promote green alternatives without taxing the living daylights out of everything?

rather than taxing petrol they should be lifting taxes and provifing subsidies as incentives for businesses to mass-produce solar panels and non-petrol fueled cars

the Labor party always seems so content to say "well sure we are doing much good but the Liberals dont either so we are justified in our inaction"

they are like little kiddies in the playground!

Comment by Wally

June 25th 2008 09:37
Man made climate change is still questionable. There are a lot of scientist who deny it, but the media won;t tell their side of the story. This is going to cost the world millions. If there is still doubt out there, it needs to be brought to our attention.

Some interesting facts:
Really Long Link

Comment by Louie

June 25th 2008 23:20
yes morgan, it is like one big sandpit.


Comment by Louie

June 25th 2008 23:25
thanks Wally. Ill check out the link.

I do beg to differ, the sceptics do get plenty of time in the sun in the media. Take for example the Australian Financial Review ran a special Carbon lift out three weeks ago, it was completely anti-climate change. My point has always been it doesn't matter, the world needs to clean up their act, Climate Change has raised awareness so we all look in our own backyards and realise how much we WASTE. Don't forget the millions that can be made from developing renewable energy and kicking the oil and coal habit. also don't forget the sceptics are often lobbyists for the big polluters.

cheers

Comment by Bill Green

June 26th 2008 00:38
Carbon emissions trading is not the answer. The cost (penalties etc) will only be added to the product and the consumer will pay it. Meanwhile who will be employing the monitors? Should we have a taxation department re-invented? How many do they catch cheating?

Comment by katyzzz

June 26th 2008 01:46
Sorry Louie, I kinda missed this one.

Even the red did not beckon me.

Political issues, they're all alike. Politicians are like your underwear, should be changed regularly. Whatever issue will collect votes, they are on to it. None are free of this motto 'the only thing politician's can do is count votes.

Comment by Market Newbie

June 26th 2008 01:55
Can't help but ask this question: If not Carbon Trading, then what? I mean, we need to find a solution somehow. So, the costs are added to the price and consumers pay for it. The price becomes too prohibitive and the consumer stops buying it. That would help the environment a bit. If people still disagree with this, help find a solution.

Let's not just wiggle out of it.

Comment by Louie

June 26th 2008 02:29
hahaha katyzzz, love it


Politicians are like your underwear, should be changed regularly

Comment by Louie

June 26th 2008 02:29
agreed mkt newbie


Let's not just wiggle out of it

its way too important

Comment by Wally

June 26th 2008 09:54
also don't forget the sceptics are often lobbyists for the big polluters.

All 31,000 of them?


This climate change agenda will cost taxpayers money. We should make sure 100% we are the reason for it.

95% of Victoria's energy is provided by brown goal.

Global warming? The global temperature has not increased since 1998.

Sea level rises? The sea levels have stopped rising. Are we still going to drown, Penny?


Cheers.

Comment by Bill Green

June 27th 2008 04:10
Governments should give the big polluters a target and if they don't meet it the CEO's (or those responsiblehareholders?) are incarcerated. With climate change on the way polluting has to be a crime. If you don't think so have a look at the cyclone in Burma. There will only be more of them, killing thousands. Survivors are still dying there but that's the fault of the junta.

Problem is individuals think profits can be made from climate change. Any revolution (and this is a weather revolution) creates social dysfunction. All those assets the banks are holding onto are vulnerable to the whims of the weather. Individuals and institutions will lose faith in assets.

And Wally the sea levels haven't stopped rising. No ice in the Arctic by 2013 (from Earl de Blonville, led Australia's first Arctic expedition and another four), and then there is still the Antarctic on the melt.

Or have I missed something? Is there a hiatus?

Comment by Louie

June 27th 2008 05:43
With climate change on the way polluting has to be a crime.

Now there's an idea.

Comment by Wally

June 27th 2008 10:27
And Wally the sea levels haven't stopped rising. No ice in the Arctic by 2013 (from Earl de Blonville, led Australia's first Arctic expedition and another four), and then there is still the Antarctic on the melt.

According to the University of Colorado, the sea levels have stopped rising.

http://sealevel.colorado.edu/

Comment by Market Newbie

June 28th 2008 01:30
I am not really sure if all of us are going to drown should the sea continue to rise. I think the world is a bit too big for everything in it to go underwater. But I don't know that. It is just a supposition. But forget about sea levels. Look at the weather patterns.

There was a time when the summer months are really summer months in the Philippines. Lately, summer months have become "typhoon months." There was a time when a 120Kph typhoon was already considered very strong here. These days, what, 140, 190, 220?

So, the scientists cannot agree. I don't care, they have their own egos and reputations to protect. Not everything that cannot be proven true are false. Sometimes, the other guys are just more persuasive in presenting their arguments.

I will not argue with the taxes that are being levied against Australians on this matter since I will not be affected by it (since I am not an Australian and I am not in Australia). But when the weather is no longer the way it used to be, and when the areas that used to be free from floods now go underwater and the lives and properties therein are destroyed, and when the weather patterns become too devastatingly brutal... the way they have become lately, and the way it continues to become even more destructive...

Well, we can all continue arguing until we all die... or we can die trying to do something to save some lives.

Everybody has a free choice. Make yours.

Comment by Lilla

July 1st 2008 05:54
Hi Louie,

Again, I say, the Environment should be bi-partisan and we should all work together to reduce our emissions, which rose 1.6% last year btw.

Couldn't agree more...too bad we can;t get the conglomerates into the act as well, with some changes to the manufacturing processes still being used... belching quaffs of stuff into the air, unchecked... when-o-when in this carbon tax happening?

Another $2 million for researcha nd surveys for Penny's office I see... and still some papers to appear... I hope they hurry becuase the people will not remember it was the Libs indeed, who sold us out to the highest pollution belchers...

Makes me boil.

Lilla ...

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